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Mek 17 Dec 2006 18:41

Round 20 Superpowers?
 
with eXilition not playing next round, and 1up not in existance, the so called alliance superpowers of the game arent in existance. so who do you guys think will be the alliances to watch out for next round?

Chef! 17 Dec 2006 18:43

Re: Round 20 Superpowers?
 
My money is on Conspiracy Theory, but i could be wrong.

Paisley 17 Dec 2006 19:14

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good question Mek that will be one to watch for

Furyous 17 Dec 2006 19:58

Re: Round 20 Superpowers?
 
to be quite honest, I don't think we've had any superpowers since the likes of Fury. What we have seen since have simply been superior alliances.

Paisley 17 Dec 2006 19:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Furyous
to be quite honest, I don't think we've had any superpowers since the likes of Fury. What we have seen since have simply been superior alliances.

due to current game restrictions that is one for the past

Furyous 17 Dec 2006 20:05

Re: Round 20 Superpowers?
 
well it's the combination of both a small memberbase and game restrictions. But that's to digress from the point of the thread a bit. More appropriate would be to ask who is to step into the place of the traditionally PAX dominant alliances?

Veedeejem! 18 Dec 2006 00:03

Re: Round 20 Superpowers?
 
My money is on conspiracy theory, the one with the faggy name (for more info pm someone who knows :p) or FO if they play next round as FO.

jerome 18 Dec 2006 00:44

Re: Round 20 Superpowers?
 
Ascendancy.

Furyous 18 Dec 2006 01:17

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Originally Posted by jerome
Ascendancy.

Clearly. Especially if XP is strenghthened!

BloodyButcher 18 Dec 2006 01:23

Re: Round 20 Superpowers?
 
CT will be one of the superpowers for sure.
I expect the round to be quite open allthough, seeing as CT having lots of members from LCH/1up, but will they be able to hold together without mazz,sid or zhil?

lokken 18 Dec 2006 01:58

Re: Round 20 Superpowers?
 
Conspiracy are essentially going to be a blunt instrument in this round and I think they'll take it through sheer activity and brute force.

Won't be spectacular, but they'll get there in the end.

Amycus 18 Dec 2006 02:46

Re: Round 20 Superpowers?
 
I expect it to be wide open.

But I'm going to go with the underdog, and say none of the above mentioned will take the round.

Chika 18 Dec 2006 05:51

Re: Round 20 Superpowers?
 
i think newdawn will finally win one. Enough people quit etc. So I figure they can take it now.

Stoom 18 Dec 2006 08:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Furyous
Clearly. Especially if XP is strenghthened!

Haha, we do value too. :salute:

What about Destiny and FO (will they play?).

Rinoa 18 Dec 2006 10:40

Re: Round 20 Superpowers?
 
I think whichever alliance gets members spread to rape a few clusters eta 6 f/co fleets will win.
I can see it now... Newdawn owning cluster 2 and 10, Destiny Cluster 4 and 7 etc. The only people who will lose big time will be the less active who are learning the game getting cnunted incluster every night ( ie those we are trying to encourage to stay and carry on playing)

Mistwraith 18 Dec 2006 21:08

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wherever most of the exil and 1up'ers go will be the one to watch... an alliance is only as good as the members, and its organisation of said members.

_Kila_ 18 Dec 2006 22:32

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There are no superpowers left, only the best of the worst alliances.
Winning ally will be NewDawn, because of what Chika said.

robban1 19 Dec 2006 01:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by _Kila_
There are no superpowers left, only the best of the worst alliances.
Winning ally will be NewDawn, because of what Chika said.

that is a kinda sad statsment :)

Linoge 19 Dec 2006 02:30

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Conspiracy Theory might win but NewDawn could be in with a shout also
FO might win if they merge with someone else :)

_Kila_ 19 Dec 2006 03:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Linoge
Conspiracy Theory might win but NewDawn could be in with a shout also
FO might win if they merge with someone else :)

eXilition also "merged" to get to #1, why don't you make witty comments about them for a change? :rolleyes:

Barrow|Pony 19 Dec 2006 04:20

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awesome. if ND wins its because 'oh bother planetarion is shit'.

but when conspiracy theory wins on 1up charm residue, skill reigns supreme.

Stoom 19 Dec 2006 10:14

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Originally Posted by _Kila_
eXilition also "merged" to get to #1, why don't you make witty comments about them for a change? :rolleyes:

We have you for that right? :salute:

CBA 19 Dec 2006 10:17

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why on earth is everyone here start licking CTs arses?

Its pathetic

It really makes me think how stupid some people are. They have made a recruitment thread for round 20 and they have some experienced HC so OMG WOW they must win? its rediculous, if you look around theres much more allys going for the win.

Tides of Fire: with last rounds achievments and now dropping some weaker members, surely this alliance will be even more of a threat

NewDawn: obviously a huge chance of every success, strong core, decent command team etc

Angels/Omen/FO: either way experienced players

Conspiracy Theory: unheard of, new alliance, skill will be there, but loyalty? disipline? these questions have got to be asked.

Vision: come back round, position 4th, why not more??

Destiny: another unheard of alliance, same questions as to CT, but i must add Destinys HC/command team seem just as decent as any other, so why not give Destiny some of your support rarther then rag on and on about CT?

At the end of the day the point iam making is its not gonna be a straight win to one of the above as all have decent players/officers, so its gonna be a close call, as for Superpowers, are these not the superpowers?

anyway my bets are on Vision

pig 19 Dec 2006 10:55

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Quote:

why on earth is everyone here start licking CTs arses?

Its pathetic
Nothing wrong with respect.

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It really makes me think how stupid some people are. They have made a recruitment thread for round 20 and they have some experienced HC so OMG WOW they must win? its rediculous, if you look around theres much more allys going for the win.
I think perhaps you may be stupid if you can't see CT will be a contender.

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Tides of Fire: with last rounds achievments and now dropping some weaker members, surely this alliance will be even more of a threat
You are joking right? The famous "Tides of Dire" who are insignificant in the long run.

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NewDawn: obviously a huge chance of every success, strong core, decent command team etc
I would agree in part with you here, put ND just fought a hard long round against eXilition. I'm pretty sure HC, Officers and members will be burnt out. I am also pretty sure they will lose some members of the alliance to other quarters. I believe they will be weaker this coming round, but still a strong fighter and a strong alliance, once again a contender. However if ND were going to win it would of been last round.

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Angels/Omen/FO: either way experienced players
But have shown time and time again they can't handle politics and their members effectively. Not to say they are bad alliances but if you want a roidrace I would put my money on them.

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Conspiracy Theory: unheard of, new alliance, skill will be there, but loyalty? disipline? these questions have got to be asked.
Knowing there HC and a few members I am pretty positive they won't recruit for the sake of it. I am also pretty sure that loyalty will be gained quite quickly and they certainly have the discipline factor.

I agree with you its not a given CT will win, in fact I believe it would be quite tough for them to win, given that people know how capable they are. However not giving them respect that they are due is rediculous. The haven't fought a battle yet, but that doesn't matter. If they can get the team spirit right and fight a good battle then they will mount a challenge.

You are also forgetting that eXilition aren't playing. This leads me to believe that there could be a group of players forming a bg and joining an alliance (probably also leaving it after the BG leader isn't allowed to prepick) So whoever has those players will get a boost.

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Vision: come back round, position 4th, why not more??
Because unfortunately Vision are not good enough. They don't have the quality nor the experience to mount a serious challenge. Nothing harsh, that's just the reality.

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Destiny: another unheard of alliance, same questions as to CT, but i must add Destinys HC/command team seem just as decent as any other, so why not give Destiny some of your support rarther then rag on and on about CT?
I haven't heard of them, not to say they are a bad alliance or anything, so I can't really comment. But if you just look at the HC setup of CT that may be why people are wanking over them. It's quite frankly a lot better than the rest of the alliances around at the moment. I believe if you have a strong HC team, a strong alliance will follow.

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At the end of the day the point iam making is its not gonna be a straight win to one of the above as all have decent players/officers, so its gonna be a close call, as for Superpowers, are these not the superpowers?
I agree it wont be a straight win. I think CT will find it tough to win, I also believe there will be a lot of fluid politics as the blocks have old have finally dissolved (hopefully ND and FO are cool) This in turn would mean that no one alliance will walk it. In your post you have only mentioned circa 5 alliances there are so many more who can contribute to who wins the round.

I wouldn't call these alliances superpowers as they haven't earnt the right to be called superpowers, however respect is something different.

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anyway my bets are on Vision
That my friend is why you are a poor man.

Ziw 19 Dec 2006 11:08

Re: Round 20 Superpowers?
 
There's hardly enough players around to make a superpower. And with the current alliance limits, we'l see no real power.
The best alliance with the best players, regardless of it's command will win, that's my bet.
There is no way to actually MAKE a superpower left in this game.
The only left to do is, saying gl to all alliances that will play the next round wich from my view atm will be VERY fluid with the current changes that have been made. I'm actually gonna go as far as saying GL to alliances to actually do anyhthing with a direct purpose, seeing how this round is lined up to be some kinda of strange mix of odd rules.
Welcome anarchy and the litle bit that's left of the game the way it have been played the past 10 rounds or so; good bye!
How the bl**** **** can you actually make a superpower when most ppl are more conserned for how the round will work, how it schould be played, and whom to sack from the BP's.
Seems a good mix of, pre-pax, smaller private gals, cluster wars, alliances beening pointless and tag's returning is here. So truely, GL! (And yes, I honnestly can say, I got NFI on how to actually even think of how to play the comming round, I can't see how a alliance can plan anything expect massblocks)

CBA 19 Dec 2006 11:10

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Pig, ive got to support my own alliance heh?

Amycus 19 Dec 2006 11:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mistwraith
wherever most of the exil and 1up'ers go will be the one to watch... an alliance is only as good as the members, and its organisation of said members.


You can say that a player is only as good as his alliance.*

If you want to see what happens when you throw a bunch of good players on a team, just look at the NY Yankees.

I would expect to see maybe even 6 or 7 contenders this round.

This of course does not apply to Kila, because Kila will never be good no matter what. =^.^=

pig 19 Dec 2006 11:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CBA
Pig, ive got to support my own alliance heh?

Yes you do, and quite rightly you are!

Veedeejem! 19 Dec 2006 11:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pig
Nothing wrong with respect.

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Originally Posted by pig
You are joking right? The famous "Tides of Dire" who are insignificant in the long run.

You seem to be a troubled individual, first you tell ppl there's nothing wrong with respect, then 2 lines later or so, you just blatently disrespect another alliance.

And about being insignificant: if there hadn't been an alliance merger in the game last round, ToF would have been t3.

But hey, nothing new there, most ppl here would rather pay respect to Heroic or Orbit or Zikunion (no disrespect meant to any of these alliances at all, i'm just naming some non t10/new alliances) then say a possitive word about ToF, though this alliance has played since r11, has finished in top5 3-4 times and only missed out on top10 once in 9 rounds.

Sure, ToF might never become a real contender for #1, but does that give you the right to disrespect them like that?

oh and edit
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Originally Posted by CBA
Vision: come back round, position 4th, why not more??

You might want to check alliance rankins from last round again m8, i think you'll see that ToF finished 4th and not VsN
It happened last tick and i'm not 100% sure how it happened, members closed/leaving tag at the last moment, but it happened.

Cartman 19 Dec 2006 11:45

Re: Round 20 Superpowers?
 
eXilition will not play as a bg nor moving our memberbase somewhere.. all our members are allowed to go where they want and we wont assemble a core somewhere..

aNgRyDuCk 19 Dec 2006 11:49

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I believe a lot of alliances have something to look forward to in round 20, as far as CT is concerned, I believe we have built a solid team with quality ppl in the right places, however, as pig pointed out, no one has fought a battle, so it's all going to depend on alot of things none of us know about yet. We at CT do wish everyone a great round and will give any alliance the respect they've earned. We go in with no grudges, just a plan to play winning PA, and do whatever we can as a Command to facilitate our members in having a successful round.

Plastic-Wrap 19 Dec 2006 11:53

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Man, I haven't been here for ages. I'm looking forward to signing up to play again with this. What is the current big newb alliance?

Alki 19 Dec 2006 11:56

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omg plasticwrap asif your still around:o

Plastic-Wrap 19 Dec 2006 11:59

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oh, this mofo is back. Haha, Alki where do I know you from? It seems so familiar... lol

pig 19 Dec 2006 11:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cartman
eXilition will not play as a bg nor moving our memberbase somewhere.. all our members are allowed to go where they want and we wont assemble a core somewhere..

I didn't mean eXilition were setting up a bg on purpose, what I meant was that eXil players may group together in one or two alliances like 1up did the round just gone (ND and Angels)

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Originally Posted by Veedeejem!
You seem to be a troubled individual, first you tell ppl there's nothing wrong with respect, then 2 lines later or so, you just blatently disrespect another alliance.

And about being insignificant: if there hadn't been an alliance merger in the game last round, ToF would have been t3.

But hey, nothing new there, most ppl here would rather pay respect to Heroic or Orbit or Zikunion (no disrespect meant to any of these alliances at all, i'm just naming some non t10/new alliances) then say a possitive word about ToF, though this alliance has played since r11, has finished in top5 3-4 times and only missed out on top10 once in 9 rounds.

Sure, ToF might never become a real contender for #1, but does that give you the right to disrespect them like that?

I dont like ToF for a myriad of reasons. I don't have much respect for them, this is because of round 13 mainly. But I just don't really like them. Nothing wrong with that. I gave them the respect they deserved when they first started out, however I have made my conclusion and don't particullarly hold much respect for them.

Saying that, it could all change. ToF might actually do something which makes me think "thats a great bunch of guys, respect". But hey you guys don't need my respect you have finished top 5 3-4 times!

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Originally Posted by Veedeejem!
And about being insignificant

This is what annoys me. I hate alliances who are content with finishing top 5. It annoys me so so much. Sure they are needed, but why not actually have a crack for the number 1 position. In the end alliances like ToF always end up being someones lapdog (same would go for subh imo) both capable alliances who cacked it up by being overawed by other alliances.

You prove your own insignificance by not actually trying to go for number 1. Sure you can say you are content with 10 top 100 players (or how many it is) and a member in the number 1 galaxy. But what has your alliance actually achieved?

Personally when im in an alliance I want it to win and be sucessful. I would get so frustrated if my HC were content in allowing the alliance to be mediocre in its success and achieve a top 5 rank. I wouldn't care if I got roided every night, if my alliance won it would be worth that.

If ToF can make the transition to the next level, then yes respect. But if you can't then you are still going to be insignificant, not because people say so, because your HC say so.

CBA 19 Dec 2006 12:12

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Originally Posted by Veedeejem!
You might want to check alliance rankins from last round again m8, i think you'll see that ToF finished 4th and not VsN
It happened last tick and i'm not 100% sure how it happened, members closed/leaving tag at the last moment, but it happened.

oh i think you will find what happend here, was after ticks stopped, a few members left, to join bline i think, just got that extra tick so could rejoin eArlier in havoc then others, but iam fairly sure that this was after ticks ended so infact Vision did come in 4th and ToF 5th

CBA 19 Dec 2006 12:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pig

This is what annoys me. I hate alliances who are content with finishing top 5. It annoys me so so much. Sure they are needed, but why not actually have a crack for the number 1 position. In the end alliances like ToF always end up being someones lapdog (same would go for subh imo) both capable alliances who cacked it up by being overawed by other alliances.

You prove your own insignificance by not actually trying to go for number 1. Sure you can say you are content with 10 top 100 players (or how many it is) and a member in the number 1 galaxy. But what has your alliance actually achieved?

Personally when im in an alliance I want it to win and be sucessful. I would get so frustrated if my HC were content in allowing the alliance to be mediocre in its success and achieve a top 5 rank. I wouldn't care if I got roided every night, if my alliance won it would be worth that.

If ToF can make the transition to the next level, then yes respect. But if you can't then you are still going to be insignificant, not because people say so, because your HC say so.

In a way i do agree with you Pig, with the fact that alliances should aim for spot #1, but if HCs see that this is not possible and its better to give someone else the win, i.e act as a lapdog, to secure a T5 position rarther then T10 because obviously most alliances would want T5 rarther then T10, but ofcourse if there is a chance to play for #1 then go for it and dont back down but it takes a decent HC to be realistic and very judgemental in order to see and make a descision on weather the alliance should secure T5 or play for #1 and become T10, its about finiding you right choice in different circumstances.

Veedeejem! 19 Dec 2006 12:25

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So you just disrespect all alliances that don't want to be a contender for #1 spot, or is that right only for ToF?
ToF mainly plays for fun, the members play for fun too, isn't that what a game like this is all about?

There can be only 1 winner, and ToF, being an alliance that always has alot of ppl who just play for fun and actually have a real life which means they can't be glued to irc 24/7 like other ppl we know, will probably never be the #1 or even a contender for #1.

ToFs goal is to make the best out of every round with the members they have, if it's t5 they'll be happy, if they can only get #7-8-9 and played it the best they could they'll be happy too.

What annoys me a great deal is ppl on their high horses thinking every alliance should be able to get #1, that is simply impossible.

And if you know anything about ToF then you would know we're a TERRIBLE lapdog

Veedeejem! 19 Dec 2006 12:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CBA
oh i think you will find what happend here, was after ticks stopped, a few members left, to join bline i think, just got that extra tick so could rejoin eArlier in havoc then others, but iam fairly sure that this was after ticks ended so infact Vision did come in 4th and ToF 5th

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Originally Posted by PAWIKI
Rank Name Members Av. Size Av. Score Size Score
1 eXilition 63 710 4886954 44700 293217224
2 NewDawn 78 485 4461363 37810 267681770
3 Furious Omen 78 693 4446579 54070 266794751
4 Tides of Fire 79 680 3922509 53682 235350540
5 VisioN 75 686 3843899 51439 230633912

I think you need to slap some members for leaving a tick too soon then ;)
That's the final ranking as it appeared in PA on the last tick (if they left after tick then it wouldn't have shown up this way)

CBA 19 Dec 2006 12:32

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Originally Posted by Veedeejem!
I think you need to slap some members for leaving a tick too soon then ;)
That's the final ranking as it appeared in PA on the last tick (if they left after tick then it wouldn't have shown up this way)

actaully sorry, i just found out iam wrong, if you look me up i will tell you why on IRC but i better not publish it here, but yeah VsN came 5th sorry

Alki 19 Dec 2006 13:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Plastic-Wrap
oh, this mofo is back. Haha, Alki where do I know you from? It seems so familiar... lol

xanadu baby:> but yeah you should drop in few regulars still kick about there

lokken 19 Dec 2006 15:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!
There can be only 1 winner, and ToF, being an alliance that always has alot of ppl who just play for fun and actually have a real life which means they can't be glued to irc 24/7 like other ppl we know, will probably never be the #1 or even a contender for #1.

You can have a real life, but you just need to have internet access on your mobile and be prepared to get up in the middle of the night. Safe to say I do neither.

ChipZ^ 19 Dec 2006 15:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!
There can be only 1 winner, and ToF, being an alliance that always has alot of ppl who just play for fun and actually have a real life which means they can't be glued to irc 24/7 like other ppl we know, will probably never be the #1 or even a contender for #1.

Comments like this make my eyes bleed and they are generally made by players in under achieving allainces that need an excuse for thier own lack of "skill" (using the word skill loosly)

You don't have to be glued to irc 24/7 to do well.

You can still do well and have a "real life".

I've never not gone to the pub with mates. Never turned down a game of pool. Never refused to go clubbing. Never played PA instead of going out for a meal with my gf.

I admit i probably spend more time than most in the intermitting periods playing WoW and hence a click away from irc. I wake up at early hours in the morning to spend 5 minutes sending defence then going back to bed. All this can be done and still have a "real life".

If you want an excuse to why ToF are an almost there allaince and not a contender maybe its because your members are just not good enough?

Caj 19 Dec 2006 15:56

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i think CT will prolly win tbh
Ascendency are the ones to watch out for, we know CT is powerful, but I also see a force rising towards the end hehe

lokken 19 Dec 2006 16:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CBA
why on earth is everyone here start licking CTs arses?

Its pathetic

I'm not. Saying that they will win by brute force is just a polite way of me thinking they are probably going to be quite crap but will able to attract enough decent enough players using their connections to win.

They look very bland indeed. It's hard to get excited about an alliance like CT.

lokken 19 Dec 2006 16:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pig
I would agree in part with you here, put ND just fought a hard long round against eXilition. I'm pretty sure HC, Officers and members will be burnt out. I am also pretty sure they will lose some members of the alliance to other quarters. I believe they will be weaker this coming round, but still a strong fighter and a strong alliance, once again a contender. However if ND were going to win it would of been last round.

The problem with NewDawn is that it has such wide variety of players; it has some of the very best and some who are not so active and are prone to losing their fleet even when they are doing well.

The biggest problem is having people in ND who can't accomodate everyone, not to mention the critics who can't accomodate what ND actually is, a bunch of casuals with some very good players intermingled. ND is capable of very good play. It's also capable of very bad play.

The HC that takes ND to finish #1 spot in my opinion, will probably have to be universally tolerant, universally patient and all round genii. When you have to accomodate so many derisory opinions of your alliance with idiots everywhere you turn and a membership that you have no idea how it's going to behave, this is frustrating, and thus not easy. For me once you've won the game the ordinary way you might as well try it differently (Ascendancy) or make it a bit harder for yourself (NewDawn) because either way is more enjoyable because of the people and the challenge you set yourself. I've won the way CT are probably going to win and I have to say, when I did it with wrath, I was bored to tears.

furball 19 Dec 2006 16:49

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Originally Posted by CBA
Pig, ive got to support my own alliance heh?

Sure, but support them to finish high in the top 5 (probable) as opposed to top 1 (very unlikely). It's not all about winning, no matter what some might say. If you have a chance of getting #1, go for it and don't look back. If you don't, then aim to finish as high as you can.


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Originally Posted by Veedeejem!
And about being insignificant: if there hadn't been an alliance merger in the game last round, ToF would have been t3.

In Round 14 ToF finished 4th. Again, a false reality because of the collapse of Insomnia, Hydra and LCH. Pretending otherwise would be, I think, a mistake. Frankly until ToF start getting properly involved in alliance politics and attempting to influence the outcome of the round, it'll be very difficult for anyone to take them seriously.

You don't have to be a top 5 alliance to do that. Trust me.

Amycus 19 Dec 2006 17:41

Re: Round 20 Superpowers?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pig
This is what annoys me. I hate alliances who are content with finishing top 5. It annoys me so so much. Sure they are needed, but why not actually have a crack for the number 1 position. In the end alliances like ToF always end up being someones lapdog (same would go for subh imo) both capable alliances who cacked it up by being overawed by other alliances.

You prove your own insignificance by not actually trying to go for number 1. Sure you can say you are content with 10 top 100 players (or how many it is) and a member in the number 1 galaxy. But what has your alliance actually achieved?

If you want to take last round for example, 2 of the 3 alliances that finished ahead of ToF did so by merging. Some see this as diserving of no respect, so yes finishing in top 5 is worthy of respect.

Veedeejem! 19 Dec 2006 18:19

Re: Round 20 Superpowers?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChipZ^
Comments like this make my eyes bleed and they are generally made by players in under achieving allainces that need an excuse for thier own lack of "skill" (using the word skill loosly)

ToF doesn't need an excuse for their "own lack of skill" and I wouldn't claim that ToF is an under achieving alliance, as i stated in my previous post, ToF always tries to make the best of the round with the members they have, good or bad.

I was member in eXi r18, and member/hc in ToF alot of rounds (like my sig says) and tbh, I had alot more fun in ToF than in eXi, sure the attacks and def weren't as good, but i still enjoyed being there more.

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Originally Posted by ChipZ^
If you want an excuse to why ToF are an almost there allaince and not a contender maybe its because your members are just not good enough?

ToF doesn't need an excuse for not being a top contender, same way VsN, xVx, TGV don't need an excuse for not being a top contender, they bring out the best they can with the members they have.
Sure the members of ToF, VsN, xVx,... might not be as good as eXi members. Does that make them not good enough?
Be realistic, there are maybe 200 players left that play this game hardcore, 60 of them play for eXi, 40 for ND and 40 for FO, that leaves 60 players that actually play PA hardcore that are spread through various other alliances, plz explain me how the **** an alliance like ToF, VsN, xVx, ... is supposed to grow to a contender for the top?
Keep in mind that alot of the best players from these alliances get poached away after a good round or 2 by a "better" alliance...

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Originally Posted by furball
Frankly until ToF start getting properly involved in alliance politics and attempting to influence the outcome of the round, it'll be very difficult for anyone to take them seriously.

You don't have to be a top 5 alliance to do that. Trust me.

You mean like this round where we hit both ND & Omen (when they were still alone) and stayed loyal to our allies?
An alliance like ToF can't affect the outcome of a round on it's own, this round we tried alot, but lack of communication with our allies made this hard.

You also bring up R14 and say it was a fluke, i claim otherwise, R14 we deserved our spot fair and square, it's not our fault other allies disband, that's their own. R14 was imo the best round ToF ever had and with the most active core we ever had too. We also fought hard that round with Reunion (2nd half of the round) it was great fun and we were gaining on them (respect to R14 Reunion ppl, you were a good opponent :) )

Amycus 19 Dec 2006 18:29

Re: Round 20 Superpowers?
 
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Originally Posted by horn
i'm not suggesting it isn't but how does this conclusion follow from the rest of your post?

It means that when you have 2-3 alliance merging to remain in the t5 or even win; anyone in the t5 that is there with what they have, in my opinion, diserve all the respect you can give.


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